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posted on 28-7-2009 at 07:31 AM |
it's ok... if you have a valid reason...
Marie Tagoc
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Langit at Lupa
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posted on 2-8-2005 at 12:35 PM |
looking for pictures, then I found this......
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Q: I’ve heard a great deal about stem cell research lately, but little in the way of what it really is and when any benefits will appear. Can you
lend some clarity?
A: Scientists are looking for cells that could be the building blocks leading to the regeneration of tissue for damaged and malfunctioning organs.
Stem cells are believed to have the capability of being chemically inducible to transform themselves into specific end organ tissues. An example might
be the development of liver cells that could be used for someone with end stage liver disease for whom an organ for transplant is unavailable. There
are numerous other diseases including devastating neurological diseases such as Parkinson’s that are propelling this research further. At the same
time, it is important to state that no cures have yet been developed from stem cells and that any meaningful treatments are still years away, if ever.
The controversy arises due to the source of stem cells. Stem cells have been identified in placental tissue, fat tissue, and umbilical cords. Stem
cells have also been extracted from human embryos that were fertilized with the possibility of their being implanted in the womb of a woman subject to
in-vitro fertilization (IVF). Fertility clinics often produce more human embryos than will be needed to achieve pregnancy. There are expenses
associated with their storage and there is the likelihood that many may never be implanted even though there are adoption programs that have resulted
in the births of children from these “excess” embryos.
Some scientists believe that stem cells from human embryos have a greater potential to produce results than cells from other sources. There are those
who say that since many of these embryos are going to be eventually destroyed that they ought to be used for the aforementioned research purposes.
Others, including me, believe that human life even at its most immature stage, should not be scavenged for the purposes of medical research
and that to a degree, the lack of regulation and public scrutiny of the infertility industry is the real reason behind both this “opportunity” and
controversy.
Media play of this issue is now focused on whether or not federal funds will be made available to continue this research or whether support will come
from the private sector only. I urge you to read more about stem cell research and to think about the implications not only medically, but also
ethically.
check out the highlights, i'm not sure if this man do really know inside the stem cell research...
life of a human embryo may only last several days or a week , and must be place in an environment with similar condition of the uterus, it
replicate itself without any intervention after the artificial insemmination, all it needs is proper environment to survive, then it must be place to
a female uterus...
and wadddahhhhhhhhht the hell is this man is trying to say here... there is no way that embryo is going to survive outside the uterus for more than
a week or so , unless it is frozen, he hehe.. the embryo are parasite to a female's womb, they have not invented or created an altenative
artificail umbilical cord to sustent the life of a fetus outside a human body... ha ha ha..
Stem cell research are using small animals that has a short lifespan so they can observe the process of their experiment . As i mentioned above, all
animals have the same theory of generating from female egg and male's sperm cell.
again, stem cell research are limited to study human embryo from the first day of fertilization to a certain stage of division, until it become one
cell again, which is called blastocyst, before its ready for hatching in female's uterus, it is then its the time for implantation on
female's uterus.
once the embryo is in the uterus, like any pregnant woman would go to a general check-up monthly, stem cell research only studies cells ..... and
maybe no mother would like their baby to be experimented by stem cell research when its already inside her womb.. ... he he he.. ano naman ang gagawin
ng mga scientist doon, very crucial stage pa ang embryo and very small, before 3 months, its only as big a a peanut, at madaling ma-miscarraige ang
preggy female........sus...he he he!!!
they experimented animals or other mammals as their models and hopefully can apply a theory to human too, at this stage, scientist are looking for
diseases and how they can synthesized and remove those genes from the cells.
here is an example of cow's embryo, it almost similar to human and other mammals, they all have similar process of gestation... cows maybe
have a longer gestation than mouse or rat, they can produce their offspring with just over a month, i think...
insemmination has become a reality to hybrid animals in the same family line... it is possible to hybrid animals, as long as it close related family..
like dolphin and whales, or lion and some kind of cats, etc....
i will open that thread about cross breeding....
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Langit at Lupa
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posted on 1-8-2005 at 01:58 PM |
Isn't it great that Biogenesis applies to all animals, that's why it become a LAW, with the technology that we have, noone can't
deny it now. he he he.. becuase all animals have the same process of fertilization, reproduction or generating. if we look closely, they all look
similar in early stage.
That's why stem cell research uses rats , mouse, pigs, lamb etc, , as their guinea pig becuase they can't really use human cell when it
became a fetus or when it reach its distinctive form.... ay..maraming magagalit at protesta niyan sa harap ng research center .. he hehe.. we are
not ready for that!!
They only studying human embryos that are few days old, which is a just a cell that has no distinction whether, it would be a skin, a heart or
brain, its still a cell, gets mo, rossiv?
and since the model that they used has the same process of generating, it applies the same rules on human development, they can connect whatever
theory that will come up .
Scientists have ethics and rules to follow implemented by the lawmakers.
kung gaganahan ako, will post pictures.. l like this topic lately.. he heh e..
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Langit at Lupa
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posted on 1-8-2005 at 01:07 PM |
Emphasis on the embryo-
this human embryo that they are studying are about 5-7 days old, to continue to suvive, it should be freeze or it should be place to a female
uterus, older than that the embryo have less chance to survive , as i believed. IT should reach a certain maturity before implanted to the uterus,
soon it will grow to different stage, e.g. hatching etc.,in every stage has a constant change.
embryo in that stage is in microscopic size, it started as a simple cell similar to any simple microbes, it is not a fetus yet., many were confuse
on this.
our body is make out of cells, even our nails or fingers, and in every cell has a copy of the same DNA written on it,
WE know that in every cell has a DNA and enough to give them information about its make-up that is included our physical features, sex and
including diseases, etc.
each cells keeps recopying its DNA, From the beginning when it was just a simple cell, then divide into several cells, replicate , create itself and
be part of any tissue or organs of animals/ human or even plants. .-it has its our own special identification that has no duplicate.
obsolete na nga ngayon yung iris in our eyes or finger prints natin as police identification, he hehe, hinid n a reliable, .. napefake na rin,
napanood ko sa mission impossible ba yun.. he hehe..pati yung bunganga din, puwedeng magpabunot.. hehehe!!
here is the explanation..embryo
quote:
embryo
An organism in its early stages of development, especially before it has reached a distinctively recognizable form.
An organism at any time before full development, birth, or hatching.
http://www.answers.com/embryo?gwp=11&ver=1.0.4.128&method=3
next ... the law of biogenesis in th every early stages, it is really interesting, for me at least.
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Langit at Lupa
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posted on 1-8-2005 at 12:26 PM |
so payag ka sa bagong law ni Bush?
I don't think, this is about being God or a creator. It’s about the eliminating the disease and give reality to some couples to produce their
own offspring without inheriting their diseases. Noone is stopping anyone to give birth to their children whether free of diseases or not.
The work of Stem cell research is only an option available for us to take.
let me explain, why Bush push this law.
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The Harkin-Specter legislation would make it legal for fertility clinics to donate excess embryos that would otherwise be discarded to research
institutions, which would then use the embryos to derive lines of stem cells. The House has already approved the bill and the Senate is expected to
vote before Congress recesses in August.
excerpt of rossiv above.
kasi kulang ang mga donors eh, sa lalaki, maraming donors, dahil hundred of thousand of sperms per ejaculation ang lumalabas sa kanila, he he he
he..the more the merrier, he hehe.. for it’s survival, isa lang din ang mag-fertile na partner ng female egg. It’s like maraming seed ang mga
nahuhulog sa tree, but bihira din ang nag-survive para maging puno.
eh sa babae, average of 8-12 eggs lang, some lucky women, 12-20 eggs. They have their own natural selection din, dahil usually, isa lang ang
nag-survive diyan.
With Stem Cell research , the current technology that we have today, is for diagnostics only. They can detect about 2000 diseases. Then they will have
to discarded those embryos unless it would be donated by the couple for research as their option.
So Bush is trying to by pass the consent of owners that don't need the use of the embryo, it become automatic ownership of Stem research lab,
since it has no use to the couple nga naman. The success of fertilization of female eggs/ sperm has a lot of work involved into it , then itatapon,
if the couple didn't chose to freeze it, sayang naman, diba?
kasi , the ethics that they follow is that this must be consent to the owners, and some couples have some strong belief about this. So stem cell
research can't move faster than they should kung kulang ang mga donors, right?
They need as many donors that they can have right now. They have a few success in some genes that inherited some disease from parents, and they
successfully REMOVED that genes from the embryo.
e.g. in some couples, one of them is not capable of producing their own blood or genes, so the only solution is to get from the donors. So minsan sa
couple, hindi nila tunay ng mag-asawa ang anak nila, isa lang sa kanila, at kung sino mang donors iyun, kung happy ang asawa niya, well and good,
sometimes, ayaw ng iba na ibang lahi, so they prefer not to have any children kaysa sa lahi ng iba nga naman, so many end up childless dahil ayaw nga
kung ibang galing pareho sa kanila.
so the possibility are out there, they have some little success already. so in the future, for parents that had some fatal disease in their
family that it would be risky to bear a child would be capable of producing their own children without inheriting their genetic disease.
This is what the Stem Cell research for is to give REALITY to all couples. We are only in the stage of PGD- diagnostics.
With this new law of Bush and more research, kunbaga in the future, puwede ng ayusin yung abnormal or unhealthy embryo. at napakaraming trabaho ng
stem cell research dahil sa dinami-damii ba namang disease available that are known by science at hindi pa kasama dito ang unknown disease, huh.
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dro611
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posted on 1-8-2005 at 12:12 PM |
Did somethin happen when i was gone coz things seem to et slower here.
I chose for health reasons only for i dont really care if a baby is a boy or a girl.. or gay. I think people should be unique and have their own
characteristcs. But i also want people to suffer less nowadays. We have this science for a reason, and that is to better our lives. I would be much
happier if my kids didnt get my hereditary defunked eyes(im nearsighted, 400 or 4.00 grade, and im still 19).
Of course the usual moral issue here is that we are acting like gods, coz we can control if a person would live longer or not. Well if thats the
case...lets not catch serial killers eh...
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Langit at Lupa
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posted on 28-7-2005 at 09:25 AM |
more info about IVF...
http://www.wprc.org/trimester1.phtml
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This picture (above) is a fertilized egg, only thirty hours after conception. Magnified here, it is no larger than the head of a pin. Still rapidly
dividing, the developing embryo, called a zygote at this stage, floats down from the fallopian tube and towards the uterus.
eggs keep dividing again ang again, doubling up, embryo can live outside the female uterus until 7 days old, they are still not really visible in a
naked eye,or then they can be freeze up to 10 years if the couple wish on the extra embryo that are not needed .
but, bush made an ammendment according to rossiv's article that extra embryo that are not needed by the couple won't be throw away but
instead will be used for stem research, as you know, not many are donating enough embryo for studies, and extra embryo are being wasted if the couple
decide to discard them. It seems scientists are given an authority without the consent of couples to keep the extra embryo for studies, I believe,
he heh e.. u only need one embryo to make one baby, and they can be potential for twins, some young female can produce 12-20 eggs, and they only
implant 2 eggs in the uterus to give more chance, so there's a lot of spare embryo that being wasted each time.
as many believers/christians believes that this cells are human already.. , he he he.. oh well, this are still cells like any other simple cells
made of your own tissue, all cells have the same basic component made of nucleus , acid, ribosome.. etc... he hehe.. this cells has no eyes, ears,
skin, brain or heart, just some people needs to be educated.. he he he..
each cells has already is own blue print, kaya kahit laway lang may cells na may makukuha doon, they are microscopic size, to find out DNA.
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Langit at Lupa
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posted on 19-7-2005 at 06:50 PM |
USA and other first world countries have a tough policy and ethics that they follow. However, there are many countries that some scientists would be
able to go and perform illegal cloning of human. We probably don’t know more than it is now, what's going on around us. Who knows that there
could be underground laboratories already existing somewhere in India or other poor countries that they have not legistrate this kind of law.
Its the way it is, anything new that science had introduced, there’s always controversy attached to it from the beginning. Think about the first
infertility and fertility tablets and the first test tube baby, now called the improved IVF- in vitro fertilization and along with it the PGD,
pre-implantation genetic diagnosis. Every year, there's about over a million baby are being born with IVF and PGD, and of course the sex
selection.
sex selection here in Australia had been ban just a couple of months ago, with a small population, there re 3 in 1 that girls are being selected by
the couple, as more mature women having babies after their bearing years, they reckon that girls stays longer with the parents than the boys.. he
hehe..so, aussies offcials have to legislate the law, coz we might end up unbalanced gender here… he hehe..
Soon, this kind of process will become a symbol status of the new humanrace, its like cosmetic surgery are now socially acceptable and a symbol
status, women are proud to tell the world, social mentality set has been change.
...oh well, if they can afford to have a major renovation on their house, why they can’t put that too in their own body. he heh e…
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posted on 19-7-2005 at 06:36 PM |
I think, i post some information abou this on the other thread....
Rossiv, Thanks for the article.
in Australia, couples have the option to discharged or freeze unwanted and excess embryo , or have an option to be donate it to stem research.
For a success rate of IVF, in a fertility procedure, female were treated to developed more eggs to increase its success , as not all of the eggs
can be fertile, doctors , scientists and couples will have more chances if they can produce more than they need to.
ussually, several treatment were needed before it can be successful. In the case of the first time success, there will be an excess embryo, so the
couple have an option to freeze it up to ten years or donate it to stem research.
Research is very important for the study of human cells. Yes, there is always a possibility that this will open other opportunity for other
controversial legalization of human cloning.
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Langit at Lupa
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posted on 19-7-2005 at 06:21 PM |
To rossiv, thanks for the article. appreciated!
Subject: About Stem Cell Research
http://www.thepinoy.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=3320&page=#pid71163
quote:
Originally posted by rossiv
Nabasa ko lang ito at anong opinyon ninyo para rito?
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Michael J. Fox Joins Lawmakers in Push for Stem Cell Research
WASHINGTON--Lawmakers in favor of accelerating stem cell research gathered Wednesday in an 11th-hour effort to shore up support for legislation,
pending in the Senate, that would relax restrictions on federal funding for research on human embryos.
Sens. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) and Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), the bill's chief sponsors, chided Republicans who oppose the legislation for "muddying
the waters" with last-minute proposals promoting alternative research methods.
The Harkin-Specter legislation would make it legal for fertility clinics to donate excess embryos that would otherwise be discarded to research
institutions, which would then use the embryos to derive lines of stem cells. The House has already approved the bill and the Senate is expected to
vote before Congress recesses in August.
Standing alongside the two senators was a powerful slate of co-sponsors, including Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah and Hollywood personality
Michael J. Fox, who has Parkinson's disease and is one of the nation's leading advocates for stem cell research.
"We're here to emphasize the importance of moving ahead, and moving ahead promptly," said Specter, who is fighting the stem cell battle
on a personal level. He is struggling with Hodgkin's disease, cancer of the lymph system.
The legislation would upend President Bush's 2001 ban on federal funding for stem cell research, an executive order prohibiting federal grants
for research that would result in the destruction of human embryos. The president has threatened to veto the current legislation, along with any other
measures that would use federal money to support similar research.
Because Bush has never vetoed a bill in 5 1/2 years in office, his veto threat immediately elevated the political profile of the stem cell dispute,
which pits the president against some conservatives in Congress who have broken with the general Republican position supporting the ban on federal
spending for research.
A total of 50 Republicans supported the House-passed bill and Harkin's office said it expects considerable GOP support in the Senate as well. If
Bush were to veto the measure, the legislation would need a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate for passage, which might prove especially
tough to achieve in the House.
Hatch's support has been particularly valued by those advocating federal funding for research.
"This man has been a godsend," said John Hlinko, founder of StemPAC, a pro-stem cell advocacy group. "The fact that someone who is
unquestionably pro-life, unquestionably conservative and unquestionably a person of faith can get up there and defend stem cell research shows that
this is not a partisan issue, it's a human issue."
Stem cells are nascent cells from which all tissue in the human body derives. Scientists believe their further study could open up promising pathways
in the treatment of such diseases as diabetes, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
"Science is learning how to make cells divide and change into different kinds of cells, which have tremendous potential for curing human
disease," said Robert Rizzo, president of the American Diabetes Association. "The fundamental science regulating how cells divide is
only now beginning to be understood."
Proponents hope an infusion of federal grants will jump-start the emerging research field, leading to further advances in the private sector.
But the ethical implications of using human embryos for medical research have been a sticking point, especially for conservatives who oppose abortion.
They find it difficult to reconcile support for embryonic stem cell research with their stand against abortion.
Others fear the bill will lay the groundwork for more controversial research in the future, and some have expressed concerns over opening the door
for human cloning.
More attractive to these conservatives, such as Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), are alternative methods for deriving stem cells, mostly post-natal in
nature, which don't necessitate the destruction of embryos.
"Adult and other post-natal stem cells have been successful alternatives to embryonic stem cells and are extracted from such non-controversial
sources such as placentas, fat, cadaver brains, bone marrow and tissues of the spleen, pancreas and other organs," Santorum says on his Web
site.
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He who loves his life loses it…
-John 12:25
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posted on 19-7-2005 at 06:15 PM |
maganda ito, let us have a poll.
If you'll have the opportunity and money to have a child that is free of known diseases, would you do it?
sex selection is now available in other countries, now you can have a choice of either have a girl or a boy. Some couple have several children but
have not been able to have either girl or boy in the family.
and for other extras, such as genes that are not present in your own genes and family, which can be introduce to embryo, such as intelligence, height,
longevity, colours of eyes, hair, skin, etc. There will be parents who would do anything to bear a child that have more edge in this competitive
world. Would you do the extras too?
In a normal fertility procedures, a child could have the chance of inheriting diseases of your family .... and for down syndrome, which will
affect parents and your child for the rest of thier life , according to statistics, they are .0001% chance of any baby that could be born with
down syndrome, any couples can bear a child with this disease, either genetic or not, however some have more chances than others.
quote:
Down syndrome
A common chromosome disorder due to an extra chromosome number 21 (trisomy 21). Down syndrome causes mental retardation, a characteristic face, and
multiple malformations. Down syndrome is a relatively common birth defect. The chromosome abnormality affects both the physical and intellectual
development of the individual.
http://www.answers.com/down+syndrome?gwp=11&ver=1.0.4.128&method=3
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